[CPN] proposal to eliminate apomorphy-based definitions

    Kevin Padian kpadian at berkeley.edu
    Wed Jan 11 12:41:03 EST 2012 
    Dear Phil and Kevin,

I'm happy to support delaying the consideration of the apomorphy-based
proposal.  I am not sure that it should be rejected out of hand, even if
it has been discussed before; the Paris meeting was some time ago and
perhaps there should be general weighing in from the community.  -- kp


> I think it is counter-productive to discuss eliminating apomorphy-based 
> definitions at this stage.  This issue was considered and rejected during 
> the process of developing the PhyloCode.  If I remember correctly, the 
> species issue is in a different category than other previously discussed 
> issues in that people who wished to eliminate considerations about species 
> from the PhyloCode were encouraged to develop a proposal (at the Paris 
> meeting).  Other proposals that have been rejected should not be up for 
> continuous debate, or we will never make any progress. 
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> Kevin 
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> On 1/11/12 10:25 AM, "Phil Cantino" < cantino at ohio.edu 
> wrote: 
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> Kevin, would you mind delaying consideration of your proposal until after 
> we finish with the species proposal?  I'm afraid that it will get rather 
> confusing if the CPN tries to discuss two complex issues simultaneously. 
> Phil 
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> On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Kevin Padian wrote: 
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>> Dear Colleagues, 
>>  
>> As long as we are considering the Cellinese et al proposal to eliminate 
>> the privilege of species, I would like to submit some reasons why I 
>> believe (with many) that apomorphy-based definitions should also be 
>> eliminated.  The attached proposal offers some rationales, not all of 
>> which are particularly original; but I think on balance that doing 
>> without 
>> apomorphy-based definitions will relieve confusion among rank and file 
>> taxonomists and will also potentially eliminate a lot of poorly 
>> conceived 
>> definitions contributed to the database.  I welcome everyone's comments, 
>> and I hope that there can be a reasonable time for comments to be posted 
>> by the general community.  Thanks -- kp 
>>  
>> -- 
>> Kevin Padian 
>> Department of Integrative Biology & 
>> Museum of Paleontology 
>> University of California, Berkeley CA 94720-3140 
>> 510-642-7434 
>>  http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/people/padian/home.php 
 
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Kevin Padian
Department of Integrative Biology &
Museum of Paleontology
University of California, Berkeley CA 94720-3140
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