[CPN] CPN Digest, Vol 16, Issue 7

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I vote in favor of the proposed changes.

Yours
Jacques


On 11/5/12 9:08 AM, cpn-request at listserv.ohio.edu 
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> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:57:59 +0100 
> From: Walter Joyce < walter.g.joyce at gmail.com 
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> Subject: Re: [CPN] PLEASE VOTE on CBM-related proposals 
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> I also vote in favor of the proposed changes. 
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Cantino, Philip < cantino at ohio.edu 
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>> Dear CPN members, 
>>  
>> Only five of us have voted on the set of proposed changes I sent the 
>> listserv on Monday (attached again to this message).  I suggested today as 
>> the deadline, but since less than half the committee has voted, this was 
>> clearly insufficient time.  Please send your vote by next Tuesday (Nov. 6), 
>> election day here in the U.S.  The following people have NOT yet voted: 
>> Anderson, Andres, Gauthier, Joyce, Marjanovic, Olmstead, and Tank. 
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>> Phil 
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>> Begin forwarded message: 
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>> *From: *"Cantino, Philip" < cantino at ohio.edu 
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>> *Date: *October 29, 2012 11:19:46 AM EDT 
>> *To: *Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature < cpn at listserv.ohio.edu 
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>> *Subject: **Re: [CPN] next set of CBM-related proposals* 
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>> Folks, 
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>> This is a worthwhile discussion that should definitely be continued, but I 
>> realize now that I made a mistake in even including the glossary definition 
>> of Taxon in this round of voting.  This was the one entry in David's Sept. 
>> 29 set of comments that I suggested we postpone because it will take a 
>> while to work through the many uses of the term "taxon" in the code.  In my 
>> Oct. 24 message in which I inserted replies to David's comments, I noted 
>> that we agreed to defer voting on the glossary definition of Taxon---but I 
>> unfortunately forgot to remove this item from the list of changes that we 
>> are voting on right now.  My apologies for the confusion! 
>>  
>> The attached document is identical to the one I sent you on Friday except 
>> that I have deleted the glossary definition of Taxon as one that we are 
>> voting on at this time.  I am not trying to suppress discussion of this 
>> item.  We will return to this and related changes in the code (and also 
>> revision of Art. 21), but after many months of discussion, I think it is 
>> best that we vote on the several changes that no one has expressed 
>> disagreement about. 
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>> I suggested on Friday that we call a vote on this set of changes today if 
>> there were no comments by Sunday and if no one objected to this schedule. 
>> No one has objected to the schedule, and the only comments are on the 
>> glossary definition of Taxon, so let's please vote on the other changes 
>> (attached).  Please send your vote to this listserv by this Friday (Nov. 
>> 2).  [If someone feels this is insufficient time in which to vote, please 
>> say so, but we have been discussing the CBM proposal for months.] 
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>> Phil 
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>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:56 AM, de Queiroz, Kevin wrote: 
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>>> When it comes to the definition of "clade", it's a bit over-simplified 
>> to declare that other people are simply wrong.  They would argue that the 
>> definition of "clade" is "an ancestral _species_ and all of its 
>> descendants".  Moreover, some of them might also argue that it is useful to 
>> distinguish terminologically between groups composed of an ancestor and all 
>> of its descendants that conform (more or less) to a nested hierarchical 
>> pattern (species, uniparental organisms) and those that do not (biparental 
>> organisms). 
>>> Kevin 
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>>> From: cpn-bounces at listserv.ohio.edu 
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>> Behalf Of David Marjanovic [ david.marjanovic at gmx.at 
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>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:29 AM 
>>> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature 
>>> Subject: Re: [CPN] next set of CBM-related proposals 
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>>>> I do not favor Mike's proposed  revision (of the definition of 
>>>> "taxon") for the following reason: some people view clades/higher 
>>>> taxa not as monophyletic groups of organisms but as monophyletic 
>>>> groups of species. 
>>> They're wrong. "Clade" = "an ancestor and all its descendants", even if 
>>> that's a small part of a species or partially overlaps with one or 
>>> several species. The PhyloCode allows the naming of LITUs, as it should. 
>>>  
>>> Besides, under most species concepts, not only are "speciation" and 
>>> "cladogenesis" not synonyms*, but neither is even a subset of the other; 
>>> inevitably, then, clades will usually contain entire species and parts 
>>> of other species under those species concepts. 
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>>> * Although lots of people, even in the primary literature, use 
>>> "speciation" when they mean "cladogenesis". It's as if almost nobody 
>>> even knew the latter term. 
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