Nico - Read through the whole thread. This is a response to an admittedly tangential suggestion by David Marjanovic, which has not received any support from other committee members. Dick On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Cellinese,Nico wrote: > I am having a really hard time to understand why we need to discuss or refer to species concept or even imply the value of a unified species concept when in fact we are dealing with nomenclatural issues. We are naming taxa = clades and whether people draw an analogy between these and 'species' should be none of our business. > > Nico > > > On Mar 18, 2013, at 1:48 PM, de Queiroz, Kevin wrote: > >> Yes, of course I'm aware of that issue. However, I still think it is more >> appropriate and useful to view those differences as criteria that exist >> within the context of a single general concept of species. I've used a >> cartographic analogy to describe this situation previously (see de >> Queiroz, 1999, The general lineage concept of species and the defining >> properties of the species category, p. 64-65): in the context of the >> single general species concept, the various properties that are >> responsible for the differences among traditional species definitions >> ("concepts") can be viewed as criteria for deciding which species to >> represent in a taxonomy that function analogously to criteria that are >> used to decide which population centers to represent on a map. See also >> O'Hara (1993, Systematic generalization, historical fate, and the species >> problem). >> >> In addition, I've argued in a different paper (de Queiroz, 2005, A unified >> concept of species and its consequences for the future of taxonomy) that >> we should not over-emphasize one or another species criterion (as implied >> in David M's suggestion that authors should state which species "concept" >> they have adopted in the protologue) but rather list ALL of the relevant >> properties that the species in question is inferred both to possess and >> not to possess. See the section "Current Taxonomic Conventions are >> Inadequate" (bottom p. 209 top p. 210) in the cited paper. >> >> >> On 3/17/13 2:35 PM, "David Marjanovic" < david.marjanovic at gmx.at > wrote: >> >>> Points taken, but... >>> >>>> (I also don't think that most biologists really adopt different >>>> species concepts, though they tend to confuse operational criteria >>>> with concepts). >>> >>> Different criteria lead to different results. At our 2nd meeting (Yale >>> 2006), somebody (Yannick Bertrand, I think) gave a presentation, saying >>> that there are from 101 to 249 endemic bird species in Mexico, depending >>> on what one means by "species". That's what I mean. >>>
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