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Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
I agree with many of Kevin's views expressed in his message
(below), with reservations on a single point, namely the feasibility
of a CPN meeting. In my case, I would not be able to attend, for
financial reasons, and I may not be the sole CPN member in that
case. I don't necessarily think that e-mail discussions won't be
effective or sufficient to solve these issues. However, I certainly
don't wish to impede efforts for the rest of the committee to meet.
Perhaps we could try to set up a videoconference with Skype or
something like that for overseas members? David Marjanovic would
also be concerned.<br>
<br>
Also, on a technical note, I wonder if the <b>Council</b> is
not the appropriate body to hold discussion about a possible
enlargement of the list of Editors of the CV. Here are relevant
extracts from our bylaws, with relevant passages in <b>bold type</b>
(if your e-mail client allows it):<br>
<br>
<b>Section 5. Powers</b> <br>
The <b>Council</b> is empowered to act on all matters pertaining to
the Society, except as<br>
otherwise provided by these Bylaws. In the execution of its duties,
the Council may: (1) acquire, hold, and dispose of, either directly
or through a nominee who acts in the name of the Council, any
property or other assets suited to further the interests of the
Society; (2) <b>execute contract</b>s and solicit and receive
grants in support of the Society’s activities; (3) make, or cause to
be made, all necessary arrangement for the meetings of the Society;
and (4) exercise such other powers as required by these Bylaws and
as required or desired for the conduct of the Society’s affairs.<br>
<br>
<b>Section 6. Duties</b> <br>
The Council shall be responsible for matters of policy and procedure
in all actions taken<br>
between Periodic Meetings of the Society. It shall have j<b>urisdiction
over</b> finances and <b>publications</b>. It shall approve
appointments by the President or President-Elect of officers and
committee members. The Council shall determine the duties of the
committees beyond those outlined in these Bylaws. It shall receive
and act on the annual budget prepared by the Treasurer. It shall
consider proposals from any member of the Society.<br>
<b><br>
Section 2. Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature </b><br>
Prior to implementation of the PhyloCode, the Committee on
Phylogenetic Nomenclature<br>
(CPN) shall assume the responsibility, previously held by the
PhyloCode Advisory Group, for reviewing and <b>approving changes in
the draft PhyloCode</b>. After implementation of the PhyloCode,
responsibilities of the CPN shall be to: (a) rule on applications
for suppression or conservation of names; (b) resolve ambiguities in
the provisions of the PhyloCode; (c) amend the provisions of the
PhyloCode; and (d) produce future editions of the PhyloCode. The CPN
shall also maintain a PhyloCode Advisory Group (PAG), whose function
shall be to provide non- binding advice, generally by means of an
Internet listserver. The CPN shall consist of twelve voting members,
including a Chairperson and Secretary. Each member shall serve for
three years, taking office on 1 September. Four members shall be
elected each year to provide three cohorts serving staggered terms
on the CPN. Any vacancy among members shall be filled by the normal
procedure for electing members in the next annual election. Members
may be elected for up to three consecutive three-year terms and
shall not be eligible to serve again on the CPN until one year has
elapsed since completing the third consecutive term. A Chairperson
and Secretary shall be elected annually by the membership of the CPN
for a one-year term and shall take office on 1 September. The
Chairperson and Secretary may serve for up to three consecutive
one-year terms, and shall not be eligible to serve again in the same
office until one year has elapsed since completing the third
consecutive term.<br>
<br>
Of course, Kevin and I (among others) are members of both
committees, but that is not the case of all involved.<br>
<br>
As for a call to the general systematic community for possible
amendments to the draft PhyloCode, I think that this is a good idea,
but there is perhaps a small risk that we will be flooded by
requests and that several will not be well thought-out or even
proposed with good intentions. But perhaps I over-estimate the
potential response of the community. But if we end up not having the
time to examine seriously more than 10% of the suggestions we get,
this might backfire.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
On 16/11/11 08:05, Kevin Padian wrote:
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cite="mid:81f04a38a9d6df5d226851427efaabdb.squirrel@calmail.berkeley.edu"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Dear Colleagues,
I am concerned about several issues on which I would like your views. We
have a proposal on the table about the rank of species, and we are likely
to have others. It seems impractical to try to resolve these things by
email. Also, the editing of the Companion Volume, on which (by statute)
the publication of the PhyloCode depends, is proceeding so slowly that by
one estimate it will not be completed, even with its present complement of
submitted articles, until 2056.
1. I propose that we convene a meeting of the CPN, not associated with
any scholarly society's meeting, sometime during the first six months of
2012. I would be glad to host this at Berkeley but would be happy if a
more central or convenient location for other members were identified.
2. In the intervening time I would suggest circulating a call for
proposals in the systematic community that would suggest any changes in
the substance or wording of the PhyloCode, prior to its publication; no
further changes would be entertained for a period of "x" (x to be
determined) years afterward. These proposals would have a deadline at
least a month before the meeting. The CPN would consider them at that
meeting.
3. Because the editorial regime of the Companion Volume is not working as
it was intended, and as a result many members of the systematic community
believe that the PhyloCode is dead, the CPN has to find another solution.
I am not the chair of the CPN; I write only as a member of the CPN to ask
for a workable approach to these problems. I feel somewhat obligated, as
the incoming head of the ISPN, to suggest that these issues be addressed
in timely fashion. We have to have some mechanism to move forward. I am
really fine with whatever the group decides, but I feel that some decision
on how to proceed is important. Please give me your views on these
issues. Thanks -- kp
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Muséum National d’Histoire Naturelle
Batiment de Géologie
Case postale 48
43 rue Buffon
F-75231 Paris cedex 05
FRANCE
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Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
I agree with many of Kevin's views expressed in his message
(below), with reservations on a single point, namely the feasibility
of a CPN meeting. In my case, I would not be able to attend, for
financial reasons, and I may not be the sole CPN member in that
case. I don't necessarily think that e-mail discussions won't be
effective or sufficient to solve these issues. However, I certainly
don't wish to impede efforts for the rest of the committee to meet.
Perhaps we could try to set up a videoconference with Skype or
something like that for overseas members? David Marjanovic would
also be concerned.<br>
<br>
Also, on a technical note, I wonder if the <b>Council</b> is
not the appropriate body to hold discussion about a possible
enlargement of the list of Editors of the CV. Here are relevant
extracts from our bylaws, with relevant passages in <b>bold type</b>
(if your e-mail client allows it):<br>
<br>
<b>Section 5. Powers</b> <br>
The <b>Council</b> is empowered to act on all matters pertaining to
the Society, except as<br>
otherwise provided by these Bylaws. In the execution of its duties,
the Council may: (1) acquire, hold, and dispose of, either directly
or through a nominee who acts in the name of the Council, any
property or other assets suited to further the interests of the
Society; (2) <b>execute contract</b>s and solicit and receive
grants in support of the Society’s activities; (3) make, or cause to
be made, all necessary arrangement for the meetings of the Society;
and (4) exercise such other powers as required by these Bylaws and
as required or desired for the conduct of the Society’s affairs.<br>
<br>
<b>Section 6. Duties</b> <br>
The Council shall be responsible for matters of policy and procedure
in all actions taken<br>
between Periodic Meetings of the Society. It shall have j<b>urisdiction
over</b> finances and <b>publications</b>. It shall approve
appointments by the President or President-Elect of officers and
committee members. The Council shall determine the duties of the
committees beyond those outlined in these Bylaws. It shall receive
and act on the annual budget prepared by the Treasurer. It shall
consider proposals from any member of the Society.<br>
<b><br>
Section 2. Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature </b><br>
Prior to implementation of the PhyloCode, the Committee on
Phylogenetic Nomenclature<br>
(CPN) shall assume the responsibility, previously held by the
PhyloCode Advisory Group, for reviewing and <b>approving changes in
the draft PhyloCode</b>. After implementation of the PhyloCode,
responsibilities of the CPN shall be to: (a) rule on applications
for suppression or conservation of names; (b) resolve ambiguities in
the provisions of the PhyloCode; (c) amend the provisions of the
PhyloCode; and (d) produce future editions of the PhyloCode. The CPN
shall also maintain a PhyloCode Advisory Group (PAG), whose function
shall be to provide non- binding advice, generally by means of an
Internet listserver. The CPN shall consist of twelve voting members,
including a Chairperson and Secretary. Each member shall serve for
three years, taking office on 1 September. Four members shall be
elected each year to provide three cohorts serving staggered terms
on the CPN. Any vacancy among members shall be filled by the normal
procedure for electing members in the next annual election. Members
may be elected for up to three consecutive three-year terms and
shall not be eligible to serve again on the CPN until one year has
elapsed since completing the third consecutive term. A Chairperson
and Secretary shall be elected annually by the membership of the CPN
for a one-year term and shall take office on 1 September. The
Chairperson and Secretary may serve for up to three consecutive
one-year terms, and shall not be eligible to serve again in the same
office until one year has elapsed since completing the third
consecutive term.<br>
<br>
Of course, Kevin and I (among others) are members of both
committees, but that is not the case of all involved.<br>
<br>
As for a call to the general systematic community for possible
amendments to the draft PhyloCode, I think that this is a good idea,
but there is perhaps a small risk that we will be flooded by
requests and that several will not be well thought-out or even
proposed with good intentions. But perhaps I over-estimate the
potential response of the community. But if we end up not having the
time to examine seriously more than 10% of the suggestions we get,
this might backfire.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
On 16/11/11 08:05, Kevin Padian wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:81f04a38a9d6df5d226851427efaabdb.squirrel@calmail.berkeley.edu"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Dear Colleagues,
I am concerned about several issues on which I would like your views. We
have a proposal on the table about the rank of species, and we are likely
to have others. It seems impractical to try to resolve these things by
email. Also, the editing of the Companion Volume, on which (by statute)
the publication of the PhyloCode depends, is proceeding so slowly that by
one estimate it will not be completed, even with its present complement of
submitted articles, until 2056.
1. I propose that we convene a meeting of the CPN, not associated with
any scholarly society's meeting, sometime during the first six months of
2012. I would be glad to host this at Berkeley but would be happy if a
more central or convenient location for other members were identified.
2. In the intervening time I would suggest circulating a call for
proposals in the systematic community that would suggest any changes in
the substance or wording of the PhyloCode, prior to its publication; no
further changes would be entertained for a period of "x" (x to be
determined) years afterward. These proposals would have a deadline at
least a month before the meeting. The CPN would consider them at that
meeting.
3. Because the editorial regime of the Companion Volume is not working as
it was intended, and as a result many members of the systematic community
believe that the PhyloCode is dead, the CPN has to find another solution.
I am not the chair of the CPN; I write only as a member of the CPN to ask
for a workable approach to these problems. I feel somewhat obligated, as
the incoming head of the ISPN, to suggest that these issues be addressed
in timely fashion. We have to have some mechanism to move forward. I am
really fine with whatever the group decides, but I feel that some decision
on how to proceed is important. Please give me your views on these
issues. Thanks -- kp
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
UMR 7207
Muséum National d’Histoire Naturelle
Batiment de Géologie
Case postale 48
43 rue Buffon
F-75231 Paris cedex 05
FRANCE
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