Phil, <br><br>I also approve the proposed changes. <br><br>All the best for the New Year!<br><br>Walter<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Cantino, Philip <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu" target="_blank">cantino@ohio.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear CPN members,<br>
<br>
It would be helpful if everyone would vote this week. �There has been plenty of time to read the revisions (sent to you on Jan. 2).<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jan 15, 2013, at 2:25 PM, de Queiroz, Kevin wrote:<br>
<br>
> Perhaps this goes without saying given that I am one of the people proposing the changes, but I vote to approve the proposed revisions.<br>
><br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
> From: <Cantino>, Phil Cantino <<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>>><br>
> Date: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:19 PM<br>
> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>><br>
> Subject: [CPN] Fwd: Proposed revisions of Article 11--CALL FOR A VOTE<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> In the absence of a reply from David or comments from anyone else, I think it is time to vote on this.<br>
><br>
> Unless someone objects by tomorrow and asks for more discussion, please start voting tomorrow on the proposed revisions of Article 11 that I sent to the CPN on January 2.<br>
><br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Begin forwarded message:<br>
><br>
</div>> From: "Cantino, Philip" <<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>>><br>
<div class="im">> Date: January 7, 2013 9:29:56 AM EST<br>
</div>> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>><br>
<div class="im">> Subject: Re: [CPN] Proposed revisions of Article 11<br>
><br>
> David,<br>
><br>
> Can you elaborate, perhaps with an example, how the use of different species criteria by different biologists would cause problems in the context of this rule? �The objective of the rule is to prohibit the use of non-type specimens as specifiers when a type could be used instead. �Differences in species criteria may certainly result in a particular specimen being referred to different species by different people, but can it result in a biologist concluding that the specimen can't be assigned to any named species? �Note that the wording does not require that the biologist who is using the specimen as a specifier be the person who named the species or even that he/she accept the premise that species exist.<br>
><br>
> I said I would initiate the vote today if no one objected to the timeline, but I'll hold off doing so until we finish discussing the issue David has raised.<br>
><br>
> Did no one else have any comments on the proposed revisions that I sent on January 2?<br>
><br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Jan 6, 2013, at 7:55 AM, David Marjanovic wrote:<br>
><br>
> These proposals are probably good enough in practice. The only possible<br>
> exception is in the proposed Art. 11.7: whether a specimen "cannot be<br>
> referred to a named species" will sometimes, perhaps often, depend on<br>
> the species criteria. What do you all think?<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear CPN members,<br>
<br>
It would be helpful if everyone would vote this week. �There has been plenty of time to read the revisions (sent to you on Jan. 2).<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jan 15, 2013, at 2:25 PM, de Queiroz, Kevin wrote:<br>
<br>
> Perhaps this goes without saying given that I am one of the people proposing the changes, but I vote to approve the proposed revisions.<br>
><br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
> From: <Cantino>, Phil Cantino <<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>>><br>
> Date: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:19 PM<br>
> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>><br>
> Subject: [CPN] Fwd: Proposed revisions of Article 11--CALL FOR A VOTE<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> In the absence of a reply from David or comments from anyone else, I think it is time to vote on this.<br>
><br>
> Unless someone objects by tomorrow and asks for more discussion, please start voting tomorrow on the proposed revisions of Article 11 that I sent to the CPN on January 2.<br>
><br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Begin forwarded message:<br>
><br>
</div>> From: "Cantino, Philip" <<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cantino@ohio.edu">cantino@ohio.edu</a>>><br>
<div class="im">> Date: January 7, 2013 9:29:56 AM EST<br>
</div>> To: Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>><br>
<div class="im">> Subject: Re: [CPN] Proposed revisions of Article 11<br>
><br>
> David,<br>
><br>
> Can you elaborate, perhaps with an example, how the use of different species criteria by different biologists would cause problems in the context of this rule? �The objective of the rule is to prohibit the use of non-type specimens as specifiers when a type could be used instead. �Differences in species criteria may certainly result in a particular specimen being referred to different species by different people, but can it result in a biologist concluding that the specimen can't be assigned to any named species? �Note that the wording does not require that the biologist who is using the specimen as a specifier be the person who named the species or even that he/she accept the premise that species exist.<br>
><br>
> I said I would initiate the vote today if no one objected to the timeline, but I'll hold off doing so until we finish discussing the issue David has raised.<br>
><br>
> Did no one else have any comments on the proposed revisions that I sent on January 2?<br>
><br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Jan 6, 2013, at 7:55 AM, David Marjanovic wrote:<br>
><br>
> These proposals are probably good enough in practice. The only possible<br>
> exception is in the proposed Art. 11.7: whether a specimen "cannot be<br>
> referred to a named species" will sometimes, perhaps often, depend on<br>
> the species criteria. What do you all think?<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> CPN mailing list<br>
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