<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hear! Hear!<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 6, 2017, at 10:30 AM, David Marjanovic wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>
<div>Hello, everyone!</div>
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<div>The "everything we thought we knew about dinosaur phylogeny is wrong" paper that came out in Nature recently ( <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v543/n7646/full/nature21700.html">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v543/n7646/full/nature21700.html</a> ) cites the Sauropoda chapter of the companion volume as having been published in 2010, both in the "paper" (extended abstract) itself (as ref. 31) and in the supplementary information (as "Taylor et al. 2010"):</div>
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<div><span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">"Taylor, M. P.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Upchurch, P.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Yates, A. M.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Wedel, M. J.</span></span> & <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Naish, D.</span></span> In <em><span class="source-title">Phylonyms: a Companion to the PhyloCode</span></em> (eds <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">De Queiroz, K.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Cantino, P.D.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Gauthier, J.A.</span></span>) (Univ. California Press, <span class="year">2010</span>)"</div>
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<div>"Taylor, M. P., P. Upchurch, A. M. Yates, M. J. Wedel, and D. Naish. 2010. Sauropoda. In De Queiroz, K., P.D. Cantino, J. A. Gauthier (eds.), Phylonyms: a Companion to the PhyloCode. University of California Press. Berkley [sic]."</div>
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<div>Three authors, a prominent editor, two prominent named reviewers and at least one anonymous reviewer didn't notice. The slumber that has befallen this mailing list � there hasn't been any traffic here for 13 months and 3 days � appears to be a widespread phenomenon.</div>
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<div>I think this highlights the need to publish the ICPN and Phylonyms soon. May I ask for another progress report?</div>
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<div>With best wishes,</div>
<div>David</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 03. M�rz 2016 um 20:54 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Adl, Sina" <<a href="mailto:sina.adl@usask.ca">sina.adl@usask.ca</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "Michel Laurin" <<a href="mailto:laurin@mnhn.fr">laurin@mnhn.fr</a>>, "Philip Cantino" <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com">pcantino@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>>, "T. Michael Keesey" <<a href="mailto:keesey@gmail.com">keesey@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>" <<a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>>, "Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature" <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>, "Erika Edwards" <<a href="mailto:erika_edwards@brown.edu">erika_edwards@brown.edu</a>>, "Michael Donoghue" <<a href="mailto:michael.donoghue@yale.edu">michael.donoghue@yale.edu</a>>, "Kevin de Queiroz" <<a href="mailto:dequeirk@si.edu">dequeirk@si.edu</a>>, "Thomas Near" <<a href="mailto:thomas.near@yale.edu">thomas.near@yale.edu</a>>, "David Tank" <<a href="mailto:dtank@uidaho.edu">dtank@uidaho.edu</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CPN] Companion volume progress report</div>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">Thank you Phil, Sina</span></p><div><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div><div><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: black;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(128,129,132);"><span><Mail Attachment.png></span> <b>Sina Adl </b></span><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(158,189,72);">Professor </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(109,110,113);"> Department of Soil Science</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(109,110,113);"> College of Agriculture and Bioresources</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(109,110,113);"> University of Saskatchewan</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(109,110,113);"> (306) 966-6866</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 9.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(109,110,113);"> <a href="http://agbio.usask.ca">agbio.usask.ca</a></span></b></p><div><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">Editor-in-Chief, Rhizosphere</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"><a href="http://www.journals.elsevier.com/rhizosphere/" target="_blank">http://www.journals.elsevier.com/rhizosphere/</a> </span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> February-27-16 3:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Philip Cantino <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com">pcantino@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>; Michael Donoghue <<a href="mailto:michael.donoghue@yale.edu">michael.donoghue@yale.edu</a>>; T. Michael Keesey <<a href="mailto:keesey@gmail.com">keesey@gmail.com</a>>; David Tank <<a href="mailto:dtank@uidaho.edu">dtank@uidaho.edu</a>>; Erika Edwards <<a href="mailto:erika_edwards@brown.edu">erika_edwards@brown.edu</a>>; Thomas Near <<a href="mailto:thomas.near@yale.edu">thomas.near@yale.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>; Kevin de Queiroz <<a href="mailto:dequeirk@si.edu">dequeirk@si.edu</a>>; Adl, Sina <<a href="mailto:sina.adl@usask.ca">sina.adl@usask.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Companion volume progress report</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I think that the final deadline should be about two months from now, provided we warn all authors about this soon. After all, many journals require revisions to be done in 60 days, or the papers are treated as new submissions. This seems all the more justified that most contributions have been in the author�s hands for some time now. The only exceptions I would make are the contributions that are still in the editor�s hands, and the Companion Editors should strive to send these back to the authors very soon.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Are we still on schedule for a late 2016 publication, or does 2017 seem more likely now?</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Le 27 f�vr. 2016 � 17:33, Philip Cantino <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='pcantino@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">pcantino@gmail.com</a>> a �crit :</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear ICPN members and ISPN Council,<br>
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I have attached two documents concerning the progress of Phylonyms, the companion volume to the PhyloCode. I know there has been a lot of concern about the slow progress of this work, which I certainly share. I am happy to report that the companion volume is finally approaching completion. <br>
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I plan to send the attached document entitled "comp vol report February 2016" to the authors early next week. The other document, which I don't plan to send to the authors, summarizes the progress made since 2012. The most dramatic changes over this four-year period are the percentage of submissions accepted (87% now versus 32% in Feb. 2012) and the number of not-yet-accepted contributions that are "in the editors' court" (6 now versus 83 in Feb. 2012). There are also 31 unfinished contributions that are in the hands of authors. In some cases, those authors have been sitting on their contributions for many months or even years without revising them, perhaps because they believed that the book was never going to be finished. In other cases, the authors received their contributions back from the editors only recently. At some point (fairly soon), I think we need to set a hard deadline for authors, but the deadline needs to be fair to those authors who were not at fault for the delay in their contributions.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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<div>Hello, everyone!</div>
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<div>The "everything we thought we knew about dinosaur phylogeny is wrong" paper that came out in Nature recently ( <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v543/n7646/full/nature21700.html">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v543/n7646/full/nature21700.html</a> ) cites the Sauropoda chapter of the companion volume as having been published in 2010, both in the "paper" (extended abstract) itself (as ref. 31) and in the supplementary information (as "Taylor et al. 2010"):</div>
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<div><span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">"Taylor, M. P.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Upchurch, P.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Yates, A. M.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Wedel, M. J.</span></span> & <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Naish, D.</span></span> In <em><span class="source-title">Phylonyms: a Companion to the PhyloCode</span></em> (eds <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">De Queiroz, K.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Cantino, P.D.</span></span>, <span class="vcard author"><span class="fn">Gauthier, J.A.</span></span>) (Univ. California Press, <span class="year">2010</span>)"</div>
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<div>"Taylor, M. P., P. Upchurch, A. M. Yates, M. J. Wedel, and D. Naish. 2010. Sauropoda. In De Queiroz, K., P.D. Cantino, J. A. Gauthier (eds.), Phylonyms: a Companion to the PhyloCode. University of California Press. Berkley [sic]."</div>
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<div>Three authors, a prominent editor, two prominent named reviewers and at least one anonymous reviewer didn't notice. The slumber that has befallen this mailing list � there hasn't been any traffic here for 13 months and 3 days � appears to be a widespread phenomenon.</div>
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<div>I think this highlights the need to publish the ICPN and Phylonyms soon. May I ask for another progress report?</div>
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<div>With best wishes,</div>
<div>David</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 03. M�rz 2016 um 20:54 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Adl, Sina" <<a href="mailto:sina.adl@usask.ca">sina.adl@usask.ca</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "Michel Laurin" <<a href="mailto:laurin@mnhn.fr">laurin@mnhn.fr</a>>, "Philip Cantino" <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com">pcantino@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>>, "T. Michael Keesey" <<a href="mailto:keesey@gmail.com">keesey@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>" <<a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>>, "Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature" <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>, "Erika Edwards" <<a href="mailto:erika_edwards@brown.edu">erika_edwards@brown.edu</a>>, "Michael Donoghue" <<a href="mailto:michael.donoghue@yale.edu">michael.donoghue@yale.edu</a>>, "Kevin de Queiroz" <<a href="mailto:dequeirk@si.edu">dequeirk@si.edu</a>>, "Thomas Near" <<a href="mailto:thomas.near@yale.edu">thomas.near@yale.edu</a>>, "David Tank" <<a href="mailto:dtank@uidaho.edu">dtank@uidaho.edu</a>><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> February-27-16 3:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Philip Cantino <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com">pcantino@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Committee on Phylogenetic Nomenclature <<a href="mailto:cpn@listserv.ohio.edu">cpn@listserv.ohio.edu</a>>; Michael Donoghue <<a href="mailto:michael.donoghue@yale.edu">michael.donoghue@yale.edu</a>>; T. Michael Keesey <<a href="mailto:keesey@gmail.com">keesey@gmail.com</a>>; David Tank <<a href="mailto:dtank@uidaho.edu">dtank@uidaho.edu</a>>; Erika Edwards <<a href="mailto:erika_edwards@brown.edu">erika_edwards@brown.edu</a>>; Thomas Near <<a href="mailto:thomas.near@yale.edu">thomas.near@yale.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:clementw@tcnj.edu">clementw@tcnj.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:torsten.eriksson@uib.no">torsten.eriksson@uib.no</a>; Kevin de Queiroz <<a href="mailto:dequeirk@si.edu">dequeirk@si.edu</a>>; Adl, Sina <<a href="mailto:sina.adl@usask.ca">sina.adl@usask.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Companion volume progress report</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I think that the final deadline should be about two months from now, provided we warn all authors about this soon. After all, many journals require revisions to be done in 60 days, or the papers are treated as new submissions. This seems all the more justified that most contributions have been in the author�s hands for some time now. The only exceptions I would make are the contributions that are still in the editor�s hands, and the Companion Editors should strive to send these back to the authors very soon.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Are we still on schedule for a late 2016 publication, or does 2017 seem more likely now?</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Le 27 f�vr. 2016 � 17:33, Philip Cantino <<a href="mailto:pcantino@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='pcantino@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">pcantino@gmail.com</a>> a �crit :</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear ICPN members and ISPN Council,<br>
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I have attached two documents concerning the progress of Phylonyms, the companion volume to the PhyloCode. I know there has been a lot of concern about the slow progress of this work, which I certainly share. I am happy to report that the companion volume is finally approaching completion. <br>
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I plan to send the attached document entitled "comp vol report February 2016" to the authors early next week. The other document, which I don't plan to send to the authors, summarizes the progress made since 2012. The most dramatic changes over this four-year period are the percentage of submissions accepted (87% now versus 32% in Feb. 2012) and the number of not-yet-accepted contributions that are "in the editors' court" (6 now versus 83 in Feb. 2012). There are also 31 unfinished contributions that are in the hands of authors. In some cases, those authors have been sitting on their contributions for many months or even years without revising them, perhaps because they believed that the book was never going to be finished. In other cases, the authors received their contributions back from the editors only recently. At some point (fairly soon), I think we need to set a hard deadline for authors, but the deadline needs to be fair to those authors who were not at fault for the delay in their contributions.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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<comp vol report February 2016.doc><Phylonyms progress 2012-2016.docx></p>
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